# local and global feedback in amplifiers

For instance, in a "standard" Marshall type amp configuration as shown above, the input is applied to the first input of the phase inverter, and the feedback is applied to the second input. Negative feedback can make an amp sound more "solid-state" by reducing the interaction between the speakers and the amplifier. Following is a block diagram of the new simplified transfer function: The input impedance can be determined from the the top-level block diagram shown below and the original output stage circuit diagram show above: Since the non-inverting input ideally draws no current, the input impedance is essentially infinite for an ideal amplifier. This is actually positive feedback and increases distortion. When designing an amplifier from scratch, it doesn't really matter which transformer tap you use. Global negative feedback refers to the "feeding back" of a small amount of signal from a later part of the circuit to an earlier part, usually from a tap on the output transformer back to the phase inverter. The question is about how the amplifier properties (like bandwidth, maybe other properties that I can't think of right now) change with changing the feedback architecture. When an amplifier manufacturer or reviewer speaks of no negative feedback, what they're referring to is not simply negative feedback, but global feedback compared to local feedback. By default in fun(), the local variables will be accessed. The process by which some part or fraction of output is combined with the input is known as feedback. ), H = (Ri+Rf)/(Ri+Rf+Ro) * Ri/(Ri+Rf)  = Ri/(Ri+Rf+Ro). Even with its high measured distortion this was not a bad sounding amplifier. Whether or not to use feedback is a subjective matter, left to the taste of the designer. That was, and still is, what saved it from the same problems that plague transistor amps. The Local Hero’s chief feature is the absence of global negative feedback from the output transformer secondary to the input stage. For example, in the above example, the open-loop gain on the 16 ohm tap with a 16 ohm load is 41. The new voltage is 10.25V, so the required resistor is calculated as 10.25V-0.5V/100uA = 97.5K. Like most amplifier negative feedback loops this mod will reduce distortion, tighten the transition from clean to dirt and slightly reduce gain. Like most amplifier negative feedback loops this mod will reduce distortion, tighten the transition from clean to dirt and slightly reduce gain. So if the value of A is ten times the value of A' The value of AB is 10 - 1 = 9. The series feedback resistor, in conjunction with the resistor to ground, determines the amount of voltage being fed back. This means that the feedback voltage will subtract from the overall gain if added into the second input, producing negative feedback, which is what we want. Note the labeling of critical nodes: R is the input signal, C is the output signal, E is the error signal, and D is the amplifier output signal. If you have 6dB of feedback, for instance, and it takes 2V at the phase inverter input to achieve output clipping, if you removed the feedback, it would only take 1V at the phase inverter input to achieve output clipping. The non-inverting amplifier is simpler with respect to the inverting amplifier, in that it only has one forward path. History of Negative Feedback: H.S. It can be shown1 that the equation for the closed loop gain of this amplifier is: which simplifies to the following equation if the output resistance, Ro, is very small in comparison to the feedback resistance values, as is usually the case in guitar amplifiers: Calculating the closed-loop gain and feedback factor. Local Class method() called 4) Member methods of local class can only access static and enum variables of the enclosing function. At mid seventies was developed in Europe a concept about the advantage of low global feedback amplification. Copyright © 2018,  Aiken Amplification, Inc. The first attenuator is from the output of amplifier A to the junction of Ri, Rf, and the inverting input of amplifier A. PQ: In a nutshell, negative feedback is incorporated in an amp design as a way to minimize distortion in the output stage of an amplifier. If you are left with questions don't hesitate to email me. When the loop is closed, equation (1) becomes (2) Or use your "Back" button to return to where you were. Using the formula for input impedance, along with the originally calculated value of 13.8, and assuming a grid resistor, Rg, of 1Meg, feedback resistor, Rf, of 100k, and input resistor, Ri, of 5K, the input impedance would be: Using the formula for output impedance, along with the originally calculated open-loop gain of 41, and assuming a feedback resistor, Rf, of 100k, and an input resistor, Ri, of 5K, and an internal output impedance of 16 ohms,  the closed-loop effective output impedance would be: Zout = ((Ri + Rf) * Ro) / (Ri + Rf + Ro + Ri*A), =  (5K + 100K) * 16 / (5K + 100K  + 16 + 5K*41). ZERO FEEDBACK. Get the least expensive output transformer you can find, use what ever tubes you can get, slap a phase splitter together and then clean it up with as much feedback as you can cram on it. Better amplifier circuits could have been designed if any competent engineer had put his mind to it. In this method, the voltage feedback to the input of amplifier is proportional to the output voltage. The derivations are as follows: The transfer function of the output, C, is then: C = (R* A*(Ri + Rf) / (Ri + Rf + Ro)) / ((1 + (Ri + Rf) / (Ri + Rf + Ro) * (Ri / (Ri + Rf)) * G)). The enormous amounts of feedback used in transistor amps brings the problem up to the level where it is not only audible but objectionable. by John Darko November 11, 2020, 11:45. In order to derive the output equations and impedance equations, it is necessary to determine these intermediate point equations as well. Fortunately, there are good solutions to these issues. Another characteristic of many Push-pull amplifier is the high global feedback used to get a good damping factor because to increase the output power often are used output transformers with low turn ratio. An op-amp with positive feedback tends to stay in whatever output state its already in. The design process is relatively simple. Calculating the required feedback resistor value for a given feedback factor. Feedback lowers the distortion, widens the frequency response, lowers the output impedance and is neutral when it comes to signal to noise ratio. The good things feedback does far outweigh the bad. In the case of the actual phase inverter used in a guitar amplifier as shown above, the input impedance depends on the amount of feedback used and the size of the input grid resistor, Rg. Qobuz Family Plan. The Ft of power transistors has improved from a few hundred khz to 50 - 80 Mhz and that revives the old negative feedback strategies. Applying local feedback in guitar amplifiers is fairly uncommon since most strive to maximise the available gain. This can be compensated by simply adjusting the value of the feedback resistor slightly from the calculated value to achieve the desired gain reduction. A 470k to 44M resistor and .047uF 400v+ cap connect the preamp grid and plate together to form a local negative feedback loop. When a load is connected, it reflects back an impedance equal to its value multiplied by the impedance ratio of the transformer. Local feedback: Feed the opamp's output back to that opamp's own input. Tube sound (or valve sound) is the characteristic sound associated with a vacuum tube amplifier (valve amplifier in British English), a vacuum tube-based audio amplifier. V(4 ohm) = V(16 ohm) * sqrt(4/16) = 20.5V * sqrt(0.25) = 20.5V * 0.5  = 10.25 volts. In order to test and verify the feedback calculations and the final design. For example, the program 1 … Applying local feedback in guitar amplifiers is fairly uncommon since most strive to maximise the available gain. By combining new quality transistors (Sanken) with moderate local and global feedback loops, new transistor amplifier design has got an excellent performance (Krell, Mark Levinson). 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